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The Oldies Music Board » pretty things preserved (no botox needed) » May 6, 2021 12:33 am

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Bruce NZ wrote:

Just a few of the band's naughty activities while touring NZ, eagerly reported by a weekly scandal newspaper: Viv Prince bought a crayfish (lobster) at the start of the tour and dragged it around on a string for the rest of the tour (it smelled pretty bad); when one of the band twisted his ankle the hospital had to soak off his sock as he hadn't changed it for some time: Viv would get drunk and crawl around the stage while the band played on: he also would try and set fire to the stage curtains; he was not permitted to board a plane taking them back to the UK and for several decades the band was banned from NZ as being "undesirable".

And yet they continued to make great music. Their CD "Rage Before Beauty" is one of the best in my vast collection.

sorry to report that the b-52's "rock lobster" was not, unfortunately, about the viv prince incenent, though it probably should have been... thanks for the lp suggestion, i've got a copy on the way.
 

The Oldies Music Board » What Do These Rock Stars All Have In Common? » April 26, 2021 11:55 am

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ah, but perhaps they were so much older then, maybe younger than that now?

The Oldies Music Board » I am looking for the original recording » April 24, 2021 7:48 am

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mroldies wrote:

I did it !  It is Ballin' Jack - "Telephone".
On the first album from 1970.

that band was relatively ignored in its day, but i bet the album holds up as fine blues-rock yet today.
 

The Oldies Music Board » Why Neil Young Hates David Crosby » April 22, 2021 2:37 pm

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Little Rich wrote:

Actually, Gordon Lightfoot did that once during one of this concerts I attended.  It wasn't the crowd, it was the fact that one of the strings on his guitar was off by about half note  He tuned the one string then continued.

being able to hear yourself onstage can be helpful. monitors weren't invented to stroke egos.
 

The Oldies Music Board » Longest Serving Member Of Poco Dies At 75 » April 17, 2021 7:23 am

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i'm glad rusty was able to keep the name alive, even as a minor brand, after paul cotton was through with watering them down into just another cali-pop firefall act. though i never saw a later incarnation, i'd suspect rusty brought credibility back to the band in its, and his, twilight years.

The Oldies Music Board » Four Different Songs - Same Title » April 14, 2021 8:49 am

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#5 "fourth of july, asbury park (sandy)"  bruce springsteen and the e street band

The Oldies Music Board » When Rock & Roll Got Religion » April 13, 2021 11:35 am

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Taz wrote:

Reverend Mr. Black - The Kingston Trio

really? they turned it into a pop-folk song? i've only heard it by whispering bill anderson, johnny cash, and the original recording by its author, west virginia music hall of famer billy edd wheeler.
 

The Oldies Music Board » Inside the Dirty Business Of Hit Songwriting » April 10, 2021 2:35 am

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Bruce NZ wrote:

Interesting story. Slightly different, but it has always seemed unfair that Alan Price gets the writing credit for House Of The Rising Sun when it a version of a traditional American song and the reality of the The Animals version is that it leans heavily on the vocals of Eric Burdon for its success. 

Similarly the hits of The Small Faces (more in the UK than the US) are credited to Marriott and Lane and exclude Ian McLagan who added the critical swirling keyboards to their recordings.

 

in slight defense of alan price: well, tradition can't sue you. i agree the track was driven by burdon, but you could argue that eric was singing in a fairly traditional blues style, and the only really original contributions to the song were by price and the recently late hilton valentine, perhaps.

in the case of small faces, yeah, you'd think that in most instances, the entire band should have gotten writing credit. but they were controlled by the notorious don arden, who, i'm guessing, likely would have been making those kind of decisions for the band.
 

The Oldies Music Board » They Needed A Study About Music To Prove This? » April 9, 2021 2:20 am

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aflem wrote:

I'm not sure they needed to do much to prove what most of us already know - you prefer the music you heard when you were a teen or a little older. 

"We discovered that, across our participant sample as a whole, music that was in the charts during one’s adolescence was not only rated as more familiar, but was also associated with more autobiographical memories. This music-related reminiscence bump peaked around age 14: songs popular when participants were this age evoked the most memories overall.

In addition, older adults (around age 40+) also liked songs from their adolescence more than other songs. However, younger adults (aged 18-40) did not show this same trend, and in some cases gave even lower liking ratings to music from their adolescence than music released before they were born.

This suggests that songs from our adolescence can become closely entangled with memories from our past even if we don’t personally value the music. This may be because it has accompanied various memorable settings from this period (school dances, gatherings with friends, graduations, and so on)."

Study Purports To Show Why You Prefer Certain Eras Of Music
 

bollocks. most of us? i'd say most of us, of reasonable curiousity and interest in culture and arts, are not at all bound by childnood memories and are capable of judging and appreciating songs of any sort or era on their own merit regarldess of whether they do or don't sound like anything heard in the past, and aren't afraid, or conditioned, to objectively do so. anyone who prefers only what sounds as if they've heard something like it in the past would seem to me to be, politely, myopic at best.

besides, who cares? polls and studies can be, and often are, fashioned to reflect just about anything the authors wish them to indicate. .. whatever subjectivity may or may not exist in this case, the key word, above, is like

The Oldies Music Board » They Sound Alike » April 6, 2021 7:31 am

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not  directly. but kuban's story is the bizarre, odd sort of thing welch was interested in (i.e. "bermuda triangle") writing about sometimes. i can imagine welch appropriating something of kuban's into one of his songs as a nod, perhaps.

The Oldies Music Board » When Rock & Roll Got Religion » April 3, 2021 12:20 am

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"god gave rock'n'roll to you"  argent

"won't get fooled again"  the who

anybody ever heard of larry norman? he made dozens and dozens of albums entirely filled with religiously themed rock, pop, folk-rock and reggae, almost all being uniformly excellent musically, regardless of subject matter.

you'd almost have to stack all of them platters on top of whatever kinda 'top 10' ya got. "in another land" is probably one of his best lp's, and would be a good place to start if interested...

for those who keep score of sales as a quality arbiter, he also had a charting single in the late 60's, with the band, people!, called "i love you" on capitol records.




 

The Oldies Music Board » The Sounds Of Simon: Paul Simon The Latest To Sell His Catalog » April 2, 2021 9:04 am

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aflem wrote:

Hello Darkness, My Old Friend. I've Come To Sell My Songs Again. 

At 79, Paul Simon has become the latest artist to cash in bigtime, selling his entire catalog of songs to Sony Music. He's the latest in a long string of aging tunesmiths to settle for big money by giving up rights to a lifetime of work. 

Paul Simon sells song catalog, joining trend of older songwriters   

wow! big news. if you don't understand the difference between selling publishing rights as opposed to recordings... in the immortal words of brother greggory allman [answering dickey betts when he asked why he had been fired from the allman brothers band] "if you don't know, i can't tell you."
 

The Oldies Music Board » Website Offers Free Treasure Trove Of Classic 60s, 70s Performers » April 1, 2021 7:43 am

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the dick cavett show is currently being rebroadcast on the decades network on cable and possibly also broadcast tv in the u.s.a., no internet required.

The Oldies Music Board » Kate Goldfield (former regular on the Oldies Music Bulletin Board) » March 31, 2021 3:17 am

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It's me Karen wrote:

Dave G wrote:

I want to thank everyone personally for the kindness and sympathy expressed on this board.
I learned things I never knew about Kate. Petula Clark will certainly be played at her celebration of life ceremony. I never realized the reach of her
personality. Growing up in the 60's we mainly listened to Greaful Dead and Beatles music when she would visit.
Again, many thanks to all...

It means a lot that you posted here.  As you already know, we loved Kate.  Her contribution on this board was welcomed as well as looked forward to.  Not putting any pressure on you...at all, I sincerely mean it and would understand if you chose not to...but anytime you want to contribute yourself here would be appreciated.  I know a few posters here that are huge Beatle fans, me included, that would love to reminisce.  Heck, we like to reminisce of anything about oldies!
 

i, too, hope you'll join in from time to time, dave. the grateful dead could use a little more representation around these parts, without a doubt..
 

The Oldies Music Board » booking bob on a fast train (he wasn't born no yesterday) » March 29, 2021 3:25 am

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sorry about the odd header, but whenever i can work in a shout to billy joe shaver i will, you understand...
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/mar/28/and-the-brand-played-on-bob-dylan-at-80

The Oldies Music Board » Songs with spoken passages » March 27, 2021 4:09 am

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aflem wrote:

Here's one that was almost all talk - and only had a little bit of singing in the chorus! It was the semi-novelty hit, "My Girl Bill," by Jim Stafford. What a terrifically written bit of nonsense that song was. 

from the i bet you didn't know dep't: as a teenager in winter haven, florida, jim stafford played in a band called the legends, among whose members also included kent lavoie (lobo) and gram parsons.
 

The Oldies Music Board » Kate Goldfield (former regular on the Oldies Music Bulletin Board) » March 25, 2021 3:55 am

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Little Rich wrote:

Lorne - you're a saint.  When she needed someone you reached out and touched her. It must have been very disheartening for you.  But you made the best of a very touch situation for someone who was a regular on the Board here.  You're a good man and God love you for it, My Friend!!!

i will echo rich's sentiment. i can't recall, but i think i may have had some email communication with kate at some point, but it's impossible not to vividly remember her enthusiastic posts which reminded us all of the value and lasting impact quality in music can have, regarldless of genre, throughout an assortment of generations. i believe she was still a teenager when she first  visited the board...

perhaps, lorne, you could compile these posts, and pass them on to her family? i'm sure they would appreciate knowing how much we cared for and remember her, as well as how much she contributed to our community, such as we may be.
 

The Oldies Music Board » Nat Geo Offers First Look At Next Genius: "Aretha Franklin" » March 22, 2021 11:03 am

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aflem wrote:

Just a reminder for anyone interested (and who gets the channel in their cable package) this airs in both the U.S. and Canada Sunday night.

i assumed the pbs show (which indeed did not air here) to be a proper documentary in the manner of ken burns. if it was in fact this docu-drama, i'd have been disappointed. happening upon it, i watched about five minutes of the muscle shoales segment. not bad acting i suppose, and it sounded like they got the dialogue from jerry wexler's book perhaps. in any case not at all what i was expecting, and it seemed to be an overly melodramatic portrait, though again, i only watched about five minutes...
 

The Oldies Music Board » Songs with spoken passages » March 21, 2021 2:18 am

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Lorne wrote:

gopher wrote:

one of my favorites since a child is the intro to "m.t.a." by the kingston trio. 

Yes, that's a favourite of mine, and it was also a favourite of my father's ... it was the first song that came to mind when I saw this topic. And I have an interesting personal anecdote about it as well. A few years ago, I was attending a show that featured my friends Sue and Dwight Peters from the Toronto Transit Commission's Subway Musicians Program, and this song was part of their set as it's also a favourite of theirs. But in introducing it, Sue commented on the fact that there happened to be a TTC fare increase coming up. She knows that I used to work in TTC fare policy, and so as she said this I was thinking to myself, "Please don't tell everyone that there also happens to be a former TTC fare policy person in attendance". But she's a good friend, and didn't blow my cover. https://cdn.boardhost.com/emoticons/happy.png

 

did you guys ever check out the 70's uk punk band, subway sect?
 

The Oldies Music Board » Songs with spoken passages » March 21, 2021 2:14 am

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Jim Southern wrote:

I'll throw in a few from the 'country' side...."Big John" by Jimmy Dean, especially the closing phrase.  Considered by many to be George Jones biggest and best, "He Stopped Loving Her Today".  "Hillbilly Heaven" by Tex Ritter.

shame on ya, jim! how could you have left out red sovine's "phantom 309"?
 

The Oldies Music Board » Songs with spoken passages » March 20, 2021 10:31 am

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Roman wrote:

I was listening to The Kinks' 'Come Dancing' the other day in which Ray Davies speaks a couple of lines before the last verse kicks in. It occurred to me that there aren't that many songs with spoken line bits. The Stones' "Emotional Rescue" is another example. Can you think of others? Part of the reason for this post is to goad Lorne into submitting an example.

one of my favorites since a child is the intro to "m.t.a." by the kingston trio.
 

The Oldies Music Board » micky sings mike » March 15, 2021 3:00 pm

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Bruce NZ wrote:

Interesting concept. I wonder if Different Drum gets in there. Nice song by the Stone Poneys. Now here's probably a dumb question. Nesmith is known by some as Nez but is the correct pronunciation of his name Nez Smith, or Nay Smith as some announcers say down here in NZ

quoting (from memory, more likely paraphrasing) dizzy gillespie, at the west virginia jazz fest many years ago:

"it doesn't matter what they call you [he was subbing for another act], just be called."

the consensus in north america at least is most likely "nez" though, i'd suspect.
 

The Oldies Music Board » micky sings mike » March 14, 2021 4:44 am

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sounds like a backdoor attempt, belatedly, to get in with the alt.country scene. but if he can bring something new to nesmith's songs, let him have at it, i say. either way, it should be an interesting disc.
https://deadline.com/2021/03/monkee-micky-dolenz-pays-tribute-bandmate-michael-nesmith-on-new-album-1234713575/#comments
 

The Oldies Music Board » A Classic Oldies Music Special Not Seen Since 1965 Resurfaces On PBS » March 9, 2021 9:05 am

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jthyme wrote:

I had a pretty decent bootleg copy (on DVD from video) several years back.  I did not see the PBS airing but I did see the line-up. I just looked at the synopsis from the ORIGINAL airing and these acts were edited out of the PBS airing:
Jan & Dean - One Piece Topless Bathing Suit
Tom Jones - It's Not Unusual
Johnny Mathis - Wild Is The Wind
Bill Cosby - comedy
Dave Clark Five - I Like It Like That
Ray Charles - full medley of hits (??)

yeah, i've got the boot version around here somewhere, too. it's a shame if pbs chopped it up, but i imagine the video and sound quality was improved, in any case.
 

The Oldies Music Board » The Music Documentary You Shouldn't Miss » March 6, 2021 12:00 pm

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don't know what the big deal now is, he's been well known about for decades. at least one book has been written by or about him, i'm pretty certain. anyone familiar with van morrison would be quite familiar with him for nearly half a century, no doubt, for starters. perhaps i'll look into it after ken burns' jazz series ends. 

though, if you aren't familiar with berns, he's indeed worth checking out for sure in any case..                   

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